Map of Dragon Dale Region - Rough Draft

Thurgrin Axebender · Post by **Thurgrin Axebender** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:17 pm

Here's a very rough draft/WIP (work in progress) of the known region within the game. 
 
There are no text labels yet and the scaling's waaaaay off, but I think it conveys the general idea of our little world. 
 
<a href="http://briefcase.yahoo.com/grunt11bravo@sbcglobal.net" target="top">Dragon Dale Region Map - v.01</a>

DarkRitual · Post by **DarkRitual** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:05 pm

That's a pretty good effort actually <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> 
 
I assume the little area south-west of Dragon dale (in the woods) is the Ranger camp, but what about the thing directly west of Dragon Dale? Is that the Goblin Warrens?

Thurgrin Axebender · Post by **Thurgrin Axebender** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:27 pm

Northwest of Dragon Dale is supposed to be the quarry. 
 
On the far west end of the woods, if you look closely, is the Druid's Grove (it's a symbol of Stonehenge). 
 
Yes, Southwest in the woods is the ranger camp, further south are the ruins (bugbear camp) which Thurgrin found by accident. 
 
I haven't put in anything to indicate the Warrens ... yet. 
 
I'll post updates as I make them to the map. 
 
Please bear in mind that I am creating this map as if Thurgrin himself is drawing the map, (I've RPed him getting his map scrolls out and making notations and what not) using the information gathered from other adventurers as well as the things he has seen himself.

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Guktron · Post by **Guktron** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:56 pm

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> 
 
Excellent job! It looks like you used campaign mapper. Thurgrin should get some RP exp. for this.

Thurgrin Axebender · Post by **Thurgrin Axebender** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:06 am

You are correct. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> 
 
I cleaned my desk the other day and came across my D&D Core Rules 2.0 CD. It occurred to me that Campaign Mapper is a part of Core Rules so I installed it and began playing with it. 
 
It's a nifty program but not all that intuitive and the Help files stink. It also has some limitations ( i.e. lack of cave symbols, cemetary markers, scaling is a pain in the rear end, no paint brush or free hand mode etc) Still trying to figure out how to convert the map from color to line drawing, similiar to what you find in the novels. 
 
I'm saving my pennies to purchase <a href="http://www.profantasy.com" target="top">Campaign Cartographer 2 Pro with the Fantasy Overland & Fantasy Dungeon </a>symbol sets. Until then, bear with me and the maps that result from CM.

Thurgrin Axebender · Post by **Thurgrin Axebender** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:13 pm

Here's an update of the map, enjoy! 
 
<a href="http://briefcase.yahoo.com/grunt11bravo@sbcglobal.net" target="top">Dragon Dale & it's environs v.02c</a> 
 
NOTE: 
 
CM only allows saving the picture as a bitmap. One of these days, I'll convert the .bmp to jpeg. 
 
I highly recommend folks print in gray-scale. Color print produces poor results.

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goatte · Post by **goatte** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:43 pm

Very nicely done, Thurgrin. I'm glad we have this to help us keep the map straight. 
 
goatte

bmm0321 · Post by **bmm0321** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 6:29 pm

Is maybe Thurgrin warrior learns Gall read map? 
 
bmm 
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Jeaze Mcleod · Post by **Jeaze Mcleod** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 6:46 pm

Keep up the great job you are doing Thurgin! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> 
This construction of the map gives us a broader perspective of the sheer size of the Vast and the explored surroundings lands so far. I did try to make some reconissance missions on my own but gave up on it as soon as I hear you were doing a much better job than i was... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> 
 
Another thing that comes into mind since you are doing cartography work of The vast is the actual mapping of the areas in The Vast. I did begin to do such a task back when I was playing Garon Thendt (deceased), and got about 20 screen shots worth of maps of the areas around Dragon Dale. 
I even pointed out points od interest like Balmberry bushes and quartz deposits. 
 
It would be nice to RP the making of copies Map Scrolls of the areas visited by Thurgin. It would certainly enhance how we play the game, now knowing that we have better logistics. 
Again keep up the good work and we await your final draft. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

Thurgrin Axebender · Post by **Thurgrin Axebender** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:29 pm

To Gall: 
 
IC: Aye lad, I'd be more'n 'appy t' be showin' y' 'ow t' be readin' a map. 'n' if y' be willin' lad, I'll show y' 'ow t' be makin' 'em as well. 
 
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Another thing that comes into mind since you are doing cartography work of The vast is the actual mapping of the areas in The Vast. I did begin to do such a task back when I was playing Garon Thendt (deceased), and got about 20 screen shots worth of maps of the areas around Dragon Dale.<hr></blockquote> 
 
I tossed around the idea of making accurate area maps but have decided against it for a number of reasons: 
 
1. Maps with such detail IMHO are spoilers. I feel spoilers do just that, spoil the fun. Half the fun for me is exploring, learning where things are for myself. 
 
2. From an IC standpoint, Thurgrin only has an average intelligence. He knows the value of maps (having been trained at a war college, he know maps are indispensible for battle planning) however, creating accurate, detailed maps is beyond his skill. Doing such a thing is more within the realm of sages, bards, & wizards. He's merely a soldier. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> 
 
3. Creating such maps is beyond the ability of my mapping program at the moment. I can create general overland maps, city layouts, and dungeon maps but anythng more than that, just isn't possible. Perhaps once I purchase CC2 Pro with the additional symbol sets, I might give it a go. 
 
And finally... coming soon to a map shop near you: 
 
Maps of The Goblin Warrens 

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Tak natu yenet 
 
~ Thurgrin Axebender

Post by **Algernon's Ghost** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:24 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I even pointed out points od interest like Balmberry bushes and quartz deposits.<hr></blockquote> 
 
Please do not post this kind of information here, it is simply too easy for players to metagame once they know these things. Information like this should be discovered in character and in game. I will move all of these points of interest if they are revealed here. 
 
Also remember that any maps seen here will also have to be discussed in game for your character to know anything about them. The last thing I want is everyone running around knowing the locations of the more secluded areas without ever having been there.

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. 
-Benjamin Franklin

Post by **Algernon's Ghost** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:26 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>3. Creating such maps is beyond the ability of my mapping program at the moment. I can create general overland maps, city layouts, and dungeon maps but anythng more than that, just isn't possible. Perhaps once I purchase CC2 Pro with the additional symbol sets, I might give it a go.<hr></blockquote> 
 
I think what he was referring to was taking screen shots of each area after he had "mapped" them out, then sewing together the maps (that appear when you press the "m" key) into one cohesive image in a image editing program.

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. 
-Benjamin Franklin

bmm0321 · Post by **bmm0321** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:26 pm

I agree with AG on posting detailed maps (or rather the links to them) generated by combining screenshots of the in-game map feature and then merging them in a graphics program. 
 
From an individual standpoint: if your character has been to an area and you wish to map it in this manner, it is one thing (after all, those maps go away when the server resets, and it is sometimes hard to remember an area as a player, whereas the character--actually living and traveling there--would); however such personal gaming aids are HUGE spoilers for others in the game, so Thurgrin's approach is the right one. 
 
ic: [Kerentin Gall]: *smiles* Gall like learn map read. 
 
bmm 
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Thurgrin Axebender · Post by **Thurgrin Axebender** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:56 am

Been a while. Here's the next version, added more rivers to the marsh area and corrected the bridge areas. 
 
<a href="http://us.f1f.yahoofs.com/bc/115b2411/bc/The+Vast/dragondale_v03.BMP?CCxqDHABb9Gctvkb">Dragon Dale v.03</a> 
 
Enjoy!

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Tak natu yenet 
 
~ Thurgrin Axebender 
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theultramoose · Post by **theultramoose** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:26 pm

That's a very nice map <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> 
 
It's missing one thing though, a sign that reads 'here be monsters' 
Actually, scratch that, you'd have no space for anything else <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p">

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